Religious Right Threatens to Run Third Party Candidate
By Lee Russ
Tuesday, October 02, 2007 at 07:37 PM
Could this become a habit for the more religious among the far far right in good old America? Seems that Dobson, Perkins, at al are once again making noise about running their own candidate for the presidency, since the Republicans so far have not knuckled under to their demands for a good old candidate of sufficient religious froth.Here's the quote from the NYT link above:
Alarmed at the possibility that the Republican Party might pick Rudolph W. Giuliani as its presidential nominee despite his support for abortion rights, a coalition of influential Christian conservatives is threatening to back a third-party candidate.Ain't the first time these clowns in preacher garb have made the this threat, and for the same reason. Seems that back in 1998, Dobson made the same threat and made sure that the threat was released to the general media, despite the fact that the threat was made at a Council for National Policy (CNP) meeting, and CNP members almost always decline to talk in public about what goes on at those meetings. Here's the ABC description:
The threat emerged from a group that broke away for separate discussions at a meeting Saturday in Salt Lake City of the Council for National Policy, a secretive conservative networking group. Participants said the smaller group included James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family, who is perhaps its most influential member; Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council; Richard A. Viguerie, the direct-mail pioneer; and dozens of other politically oriented conservative Christians.
Almost everyone present at the smaller group’s meeting expressed support for a written resolution stating that “if the Republican Party nominates a pro-abortion candidate we will consider running a third-party candidate,” participants said.
The participants said that the group chose the qualified term “consider” because it had not yet identified an alternative candidate, but that it was largely united in its plans to bolt the party if Mr. Giuliani, the former New York mayor, became the nominee. ...
Gary L. Bauer, a Christian conservative political advocate who was a Republican primary candidate eight years ago, said that, speaking by phone to the meeting, he urged the group to proceed with caution. “I can’t think of a bigger disaster for social conservatives, defense conservatives and economic conservatives than Hillary Clinton in the White House,” Mr. Bauer said.
He added, “But I do believe there are certain core issues for the Republican Party — low taxes, strong defense and pro-life — and if we nominate someone who is hostile on one of those three things it will blow up the G.O.P.”
When James Dobson, president of Focus on the Family, told a CNP gathering in 1998 that he was thinking of withdrawing support for the Republican Party, rival conservative leaders made sure the national media got word of the speech.But that was 1998, and the Republican Party's "coalition" of social, business, and fiscal conservatives had not yet fractured. That was 1998 and the moderate and near-moderate Republicans had not yet realized what CNP and the religious right were doing to the party and begun deserting it in droves. That was 1998 and the Republicans controlled both houses of congress and were poised to add the presidency in the person of Mr. Bush. Speaking of whom, George appeared before the CNP in 1999 during his campaign and gave a speech:
In 1999, candidate George W. Bush spoke before a closed-press CNP session in San Antonio. His speech, contemporaneously described as a typical mid-campaign ministration to conservatives, was recorded on audio tape.The contents of the Bush speech to the CNP have never been released to the public. On the other hand, rumors that George bowed down/bent over and promised to oppose abortion and to nominate only Supreme Court candidates who would vigorously oppose abortion have some credibility given our actual experience with his nominations.
(Depending on whose account you believe, Bush promised to appoint only anti-abortion-rights judges to the Supreme Court, or he stuck to his campaign "strict constructionist" phrase. Or he took a tough stance against gays and lesbians, or maybe he didn't).
The media and center-left activist groups urged the group and Bush's presidential campaign to release the tape of his remarks. The CNP, citing its bylaws that restrict access to speeches, declined. So did the Bush campaign, citing the CNP.
Shortly thereafter, magisterial conservatives pronounced the allegedly moderate younger Bush fit for the mantle of Republican leadership.
But, again, this isn't 1998, or even 2000. If the CNP crowd, especially the most extreme end of the religious right, gets its way on the Republican candidate, the party can probably say good-by to a lot of the business branch of the party. If the religious right doesn't get its way, they either say good-by to the party or have to swallow their divine pride and vote for a candidate who may well be pro-choice (Giuliani).
Kind of like a "Dobson's choice," you might say. But who can feel sympathy for this crowd? The CNP itself was begun by the most extreme zealots the right had to offer, including Tim LaHaye and folks with strong John Birch Society connections:
CNP was conceived in 1981 by at least five fathers, including the Rev. Tim LaHaye, an evangelical preacher who was then the head of the Moral Majority. (LaHaye is the co-author of the popular Left Behind series that predicts and subsequently depicts the Apocalypse). Nelson Baker Hunt, billionaire son of billionaire oilman H.L. Hunt (connected to both the John Birch Society and to Ronald Reagan's political network), businessman and one-time murder suspect T. Cullen Davis, and wealthy John Bircher William Cies provided the seed money.And the Dobson/Perkins crowd is probably the extreme arm of this extreme group.
Great idea! Leverage Saturday soul-winning to get petition signatures just like the other third-party candidates...IOW, see ya wouldn't wanna be ya!
Simple, kids: The Morality Mafia had their fun, now, wagon unhitched, they dream of a return to power. Except they ain't gonna get it. Too many realize their true intent. Oh, well, they can always move to Iran....mmmm?
What is "The Religious Right"? If you think it might be those who believe in a God, A God who had plans for his creation, A God who fullfilled his plan by sending his son to earth to live a perfect life and then die for our sins, then was raised from the dead to prepare a place for us in heaven, A God, who having created us with that plan in mind would of course have his plan for us written down, then I guess I must be part of the Religious Right.
God is not a political person, He does not run for office every four years. He is the same now as always, but alas today, too many people create a god to worship rather than worship the God who created us.
Saying that though, God is not a single issue God. Yes, He says the practice of homosexuality is wrong, but is the same verses, He says that drunkeness, reveling, stealing, lieing, adultry, and etc are all equaling wrong, they are all sin and that those who practice such things will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven that he has prepared for those who serve him.
I did not say that, He did in his written word, look it up if you think I am wrong.
Since He is the creator, he has the right to make his own rules. We can either accept him or reject him, but He will have the final say on the day of judgement.
There are other versus in The Bible on homosexuality as well. But very well said. I have friends that are gay. I think they are great. But like you said it's not up to me or us to judge. God will do that. He loves all of us regardless. It's sin that He hates. The most important issue for us to do in His eyes is accept His son as payment for our sins and confess that He is our savior. The Son of God The Lord Jesus Christ. That comes from The Bible.
Dont forget, the bible also says that we must repent of our sins and be baptized for the remission of those sins. Some seem to not want to believe that baptism is essential for salvation. 1 Peter 3:20-21 makes the point very clear.
You should be baptised (as an adult) but it is NOT essential for eternal life. There is more than one verse that says you must be baptised. It's not the act it's what you are saying. That you accept Jesus as your personal savior. That's the key and that is essential to those who have heard the truth. Baptism is just the act of what you need to believe. I have had this argument on many occasions.
Charles "Focus on the Funding" Dobson threatens to form a third party?! Anthony "Psycho" Perkins is in agreement? Quel shock!
The lock-step right has missed a beat? Excellent!
Let them form a dinosaur party. Let them wither on the vine. Combatting religious extremism in the ME is one thing but to open up a second front at home, that's another. The Talibaptist crowd along with the evDEVILicals represent the most regressive/ repressive elements in modern American politics short of any neo-luddite flat-earthers. Having sucked on the tit of Faith Based Iniative money under BushCo they have so far thrived enuff to dream their little dreams of domination and control. Hopefully enuff of the citizenry now see the dangers inherent in turning the US into a pseudo-theocracy. They are right about one thing. The two party system has essentially failed in it's goal of creating a civil society through checks and balances. Corporate donors write the only important cheques and thus the entire system has become unbalanced.
Spud to religious wing-nutZ of America...
Freedom of religion includes Freedom from religion.
Chuckles and Tony and the entire mad cast of the CNP really oughta learn this one day.
And while Spud is on the subject, how freakin' disingenuous is it fer religious whack-jobs like 'Focus on the Family' and the 'Family Research Council' to insert the codeword "Family" into their names in order to belie their true agenda of religious based intolerance?
Spud's gonna go re-read "The Handmaids Tale" now.
"Don't let the bastards grind you down"
"Israel,Britain and the United States are going to enter what the bible calls "The Time of Jacob Troubles" or better known as "The Great Tribulation" indeed the whole world will suffer."
"Evidence of the downfall will show up in 3 vital areas"
"(#1) Decline in the liberty's of the United States Constitution particularly of the separation of church and state(this has already happened) the bed is been laid and the harlots religious leaders has jump in."
"this is a excerpt from former President of the United State Jimmy Carter."
"Carter blasts Bush, Blair over Iraq war
POSTED: 1:38 a.m. EDT, May 20, 2007
"Carter also offered a harsh assessment for the White House's Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, which helped religious charities receive $2.15 billion in federal grants in fiscal year 2005 alone."
"The policy from the White House has been to allocate funds to religious institutions, even those that channel those funds exclusively to their own particular group of believers in a particular religion," Carter said."
"As a traditional Baptist, I've always believed in separation of church and state and honored that premise when I was president, and so have all other presidents, I might say, except this one."
"(#2) Decline in the influencing of the national interest of the United States by reason of a lie "I will send forth a strong delusion that they shall believe a lie"
"here is excerpt from Martin Short of Fox News"
"For Bush, Iraq Lies May Cloud Iran Truths
Monday, April 17, 2006
By Martin Frost
"We all know that much of the intelligence he presented to Congress and the country as the rationale for invading Iraq turned out to be false. While this is disturbing to many people, this alone did not put him in his current predicament."
"I find it ironic that the overwhelming description of the Bush administration is "delusional" and what about the famous "Last Throes""
That is a excerpt from the May 15th Prophecy"
You should do a Google search of the May 15th Prophecy"
And You will see that it has been the only source that has been 100% accurate on what happening in the Middle East.